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	<title>Comments on: Christian perspectives on health care [August Synchroblog]</title>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s Easy to Be Against Healthcare reform When You Have Insurance &#171; Godspace</title>
		<link>http://ellenharoutunian.com/2009/08/29/christian-perspectives-on-health-care-august-synchroblog/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Easy to Be Against Healthcare reform When You Have Insurance &#171; Godspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ellen Haroutunain: Christian Perspectives on Health Care [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caring for Human Dignity (August Synchroblog on Health Care)</title>
		<link>http://ellenharoutunian.com/2009/08/29/christian-perspectives-on-health-care-august-synchroblog/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>Caring for Human Dignity (August Synchroblog on Health Care)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christian approaches to healthcare &#8212; thoughts on the synchroblog &#171; Khanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian approaches to healthcare &#8212; thoughts on the synchroblog &#171; Khanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 06:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kathyescobar</title>
		<link>http://ellenharoutunian.com/2009/08/29/christian-perspectives-on-health-care-august-synchroblog/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>kathyescobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ellen, you are one of my favorite writers, beauty and compassion always pour out of you. i especially love this:  &quot;This time, let’s remember who we are. This time, let our compassion for those who are sick and in need become our badge of honor. Let the Church truly lead the way on this crucial issue of human flourishing. Stop the fear and the lies and press into hope and possibilities.&quot;  love ya girl, see you soon i hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ellen, you are one of my favorite writers, beauty and compassion always pour out of you. i especially love this:  &#8220;This time, let’s remember who we are. This time, let our compassion for those who are sick and in need become our badge of honor. Let the Church truly lead the way on this crucial issue of human flourishing. Stop the fear and the lies and press into hope and possibilities.&#8221;  love ya girl, see you soon i hope.</p>
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		<title>By: gracerules</title>
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		<dc:creator>gracerules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen - Your personal story and encounter made this post come alive and remind us that this is not about politics or religion - it is about people!  

I live in an area where it seems the majority of people I come into contact with are against a public option.  I think a big part of the problem is that we have created a culture that is very individualistic and self centered.  Maybe &quot;the American dream&quot; isn&#039;t good for society as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen &#8211; Your personal story and encounter made this post come alive and remind us that this is not about politics or religion &#8211; it is about people!  </p>
<p>I live in an area where it seems the majority of people I come into contact with are against a public option.  I think a big part of the problem is that we have created a culture that is very individualistic and self centered.  Maybe &#8220;the American dream&#8221; isn&#8217;t good for society as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: it&#8217;s easy to be against health care reform when you have insurance &#171; the carnival in my head</title>
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		<dc:creator>it&#8217;s easy to be against health care reform when you have insurance &#171; the carnival in my head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Christian Perspective On Health Care Reform &#171; Grace Rules Weblog</title>
		<link>http://ellenharoutunian.com/2009/08/29/christian-perspectives-on-health-care-august-synchroblog/#comment-736</link>
		<dc:creator>A Christian Perspective On Health Care Reform &#171; Grace Rules Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ellenharoutunian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellenharoutunian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You provide the opportunity for us to &quot;show up&quot; and offer our voices beautifully, Beth. :-) Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You provide the opportunity for us to &#8220;show up&#8221; and offer our voices beautifully, Beth. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Self-evident truths and moral turpitude &#171; Khanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Self-evident truths and moral turpitude &#171; Khanya</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Beth Patterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ellen--
Thank you for this thoughtful post. And thank you for sharing your personal grief and the knowledge that the system worked for you and your family.  It&#039;s good to hear those stories!

Yes, like you said and Kimber echoed, the church is at elast 100 years behind the culture.  Someone wise has said that we&#039;re only truly as civilized as how we treat our most vulnerable: aged, ill, young and prisoners.  By those standards, we have a long way to go.  

Thanks for your thoughtful comments on my post for this synchroblog.  I truly think the church is way behind on that particular dialogue.  But there&#039;s nothing to do but do our parts in speaking and teaching and showing up, yes?

Thanks again, Ellen--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ellen&#8211;<br />
Thank you for this thoughtful post. And thank you for sharing your personal grief and the knowledge that the system worked for you and your family.  It&#8217;s good to hear those stories!</p>
<p>Yes, like you said and Kimber echoed, the church is at elast 100 years behind the culture.  Someone wise has said that we&#8217;re only truly as civilized as how we treat our most vulnerable: aged, ill, young and prisoners.  By those standards, we have a long way to go.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comments on my post for this synchroblog.  I truly think the church is way behind on that particular dialogue.  But there&#8217;s nothing to do but do our parts in speaking and teaching and showing up, yes?</p>
<p>Thanks again, Ellen&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Health care&#8230; &#171; Ecclesial Dreamer&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://ellenharoutunian.com/2009/08/29/christian-perspectives-on-health-care-august-synchroblog/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>Health care&#8230; &#171; Ecclesial Dreamer&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] started a comment to Ellen&#8217;s post on health care that grew so lengthy I just cut and pasted most of it here. I will be the first to admit that I do [...]</description>
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		<title>By: marta</title>
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		<dc:creator>marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was beautiful - thank you for sharing your experiences. 

I sympathize with the claim that we can&#039;t afford to care for everyone at the current levels. Or that it won&#039;t solve the problem. Those are both valid concerns - but the answer to the second is to find a plan that will solve the problem rather than to deny the problem, and to the first it&#039;s to provide care at a level we can afford to everyone rather than to only provide the expected level of care to those we can afford to treat. 

Honestly, this fear of &quot;rationing care&quot; disgusts me sometimes. If someone is okay getting care they need even if someone else doesn&#039;t get what they need, but is scared of losing what they need, fear of &quot;rationing&quot; starts to sound a lot like &quot;make sure I get what I think I need, even if others don&#039;t get the same consideration. Which just ain&#039;t cool, and it&#039;s definitely not what I think of as Christ&#039;s ethics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was beautiful &#8211; thank you for sharing your experiences. </p>
<p>I sympathize with the claim that we can&#8217;t afford to care for everyone at the current levels. Or that it won&#8217;t solve the problem. Those are both valid concerns &#8211; but the answer to the second is to find a plan that will solve the problem rather than to deny the problem, and to the first it&#8217;s to provide care at a level we can afford to everyone rather than to only provide the expected level of care to those we can afford to treat. </p>
<p>Honestly, this fear of &#8220;rationing care&#8221; disgusts me sometimes. If someone is okay getting care they need even if someone else doesn&#8217;t get what they need, but is scared of losing what they need, fear of &#8220;rationing&#8221; starts to sound a lot like &#8220;make sure I get what I think I need, even if others don&#8217;t get the same consideration. Which just ain&#8217;t cool, and it&#8217;s definitely not what I think of as Christ&#8217;s ethics.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sometimes it takes a long time for the church to catch up to the needs of this suffering world.&quot;

I have often said that the church is about 150 years behind the culture...  Thank you for a compassionate and reasoned and dignified response!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sometimes it takes a long time for the church to catch up to the needs of this suffering world.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have often said that the church is about 150 years behind the culture&#8230;  Thank you for a compassionate and reasoned and dignified response!!</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine E.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine E.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  Thank you!</description>
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